Jennifer Esposito On Fresh Kills

Jennifer Esposito discusses her thrilling, funny, affecting new film Fresh Kills, a movie that doesn’t fit into any one box but that has been connecting deeply with audiences since its release. You wanna know who your people are? Jennifer is your people. She made a movie for movie lovers, a movie for women, a movie for human beings.

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You Don't Own Me: Eastern Promises vs. Fresh Kills

Two films about feeling trapped and the resulting rage — it's Eastern Promises vs. Fresh Kills.

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Every episode of Tasteless, I take a critically acclaimed film and compare it to one that shares the same themes but didn't get the attention it deserves — and explain why that second movie is my pick. This week: two films about feeling trapped and the resulting rage. It's Eastern Promises versus Fresh Kills. I love Eastern Promises, but Fresh Kills genuinely had me looking at other films in a new light. I think Jennifer Esposito with Fresh Kills has changed the game and reinvigorated a genre that for me didn't feel particularly relevant — and now it does.

EASTERN PROMISES

A teenager who dies during childbirth leaves clues in her journal that could tie her child to a rape involving a violent Russian mob family.

This movie came out in 2007. It has an 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. It was nominated for an Oscar for Viggo Mortensen's performance.

Viggo is really so fantastic in it. He is an actor who commits himself fully to a role. People know him as Aragorn, but it's a testament to his acting that he sinks so much into every character he takes on. I don't watch this and think it's Aragorn with a Russian accent. He does wildly different things in each film, although he does try to get horses in there. No horses in Eastern Promises, shockingly. I feel like if someone is trying to get him to sign onto a movie, they should just promise him he can be friends with a horse and he might sign up.

I also find in his work he often uplifts women. In his recent film The Dead Don't Hurt, which he wrote and directed and scored and acted in, he was very purposeful in his press tour to discuss the leading lady, Vicky Krieps, and how the story was her story, centering her, putting all his talent behind her support. He needs to promise us he's a cool guy. He does fight scenes, he has tattoos, he has a cool air about him. He knows about motorcycles. But he's working in many ways in service of Naomi Watts, as well as the young woman whose journal begins our story.

I unsurprisingly first watched this film when I was going through Naomi Watts's filmography. That is often how I find a film — I'm a fan of an actor and work my way out from there. Naomi Watts is a Tasteless favorite, an actress who I find to be one of the most in touch with humanity, with conveying authentic emotion on film. She can play such an everywoman without it feeling like she's cosplaying.

I love Naomi Watts trying to follow left-behind info on a dead young woman who suffered tragedy. That is of course both the plot of Eastern Promises and The Ring — another fantastic film. She's great as a detective-type character because she brings a real curiosity to her roles. She's also British in this, which is fun, and she is annoyed, which is double fun.

She wants to do right by a girl who died in her maternity ward, but it's not all selfless. She takes this girl's journal to learn about her because she herself wants to find closure for the dead woman's newborn daughter. And as a midwife, Naomi's character is comfortable with blood, with hard choices, with having someone's life in her hands. It's an interesting contrast to the life Viggo leads — similar comfort levels, very different origins.

You see director David Cronenberg's influence in the baby being born, the umbilical cord being clamped — so much viscera. And you see Cronenberg's touch in the naked knife fight that Viggo Mortensen partakes in. Cronenberg is clearly fascinated with the human form, all its angles. The fight scene is brutal and interesting. Viggo Mortensen, of the gorgeous-long-hair Aragorn fame, heartthrob to many, is fully naked. And yet this fight scene — this nudity is in no way lascivious. There's not a sexuality to it at all, but instead a brute force. He's caught in his most vulnerable and gives everything he has to survive. Very interestingly done.

We have so many movies about the Italian mafia, especially set in New York. So it's interesting to see this Russian mafia in London — to see what's the same and what's different in the tropes of the genre. I love a mob boss who lures you in with kindness. Armin Mueller-Stahl as Semyon, who we eventually discover has done horrible things, knows how to turn on the charm when it suits him. So much more interesting, so much more sinister — that he knows how to behave with Naomi so as not to arouse suspicion. He engages in her detective work and helps her to serve his own purposes.

Tatiana Maslany, one of the greatest working actresses of Orphan Black fame, does Tatiana's voice in the journal scenes — this girl whose death has brought all these characters together. While Sarah-Jeanne Labrosse plays Tatiana physically, the narration of this journal brings her story to the forefront and makes it ever-present in the minds of everyone pulled into this scandal.

Fresh Kills

Follows the story of the loyal women of an organized crime family that dominated some of the boroughs of New York City in the late 20th century.

This movie came out in 2024. It has a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes from critics and a 96% with audiences.

I need this movie to get an Oscar nomination. On this show I have covered The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Goodfellas, Casino, Reservoir Dogs, Scarface. It is a genre that is easy pickings for this show, where I am so often uplifting a film starring or made by women versus critically acclaimed films that are almost always from a very masculine point of view. So for Jennifer Esposito to take this classic genre and flip it in such a way that its hook is also kind of the least important part — that's very impressive.

Fresh Kills is a mafia movie. It falls in this world, uses its trappings. But it's so much more than that. These women are so much more than that. When I think of the iconic women of past mob movies, I never think of them in those roles. Lorraine Bracco brings to mind the matriarch of the Rizzoli family in Rizzoli & Isles. Michelle Pfeiffer is Catwoman or Cool Rider before I'd think of Elvira in Scarface. For Sharon Stone in Casino, I would first think Basic Instinct or The Quick and the Dead — films where she has agency, much more so than in Casino.

Esposito's film isn't an answer to mob movies. It's not made in an attempt to subvert the genre as far as I can tell. It's simply a story she had in her that was worth telling, and it falls in this world that she knows, that she saw growing up. So it's very honest. Jennifer wrote and directed this film and there is such presence and care in every shot, in every moment, in every song choice.

No character in this film is a saint. The women aren't good simply because they're women. The characters are flawed, they're chaotic. This movie is living and breathing. You feel Rose's claustrophobia just as you feel this almost oppressive level of acceptance and yes-man energy from Connie — how much Connie needs everything to be okay, needs her father, who is clearly very involved in organized crime, to be a good man. She needs it to be okay what he's doing.

I'm not going to spoil the end of this film because it's actually very important to me that you go buy this film digitally — on Apple, Amazon, all the places you get movies. It's so worth it to support this film, and it's putting your money where your mouth is. Do you want more film from independent filmmakers without an agenda besides telling an interesting story? Films from people who are passionate about film? Jennifer mortgaged her house to make this movie.

I had the distinct pleasure of speaking with her a couple years ago on the show and it was one of my favorite conversations I've ever had, because she is such a storyteller and believes so much in the importance of art. The way she's engaged with fans and viewers has been really wonderful to see because it's so authentic, and that comes across in Fresh Kills.

Emily Bader as Rose LaRusso is a revelation. I don't know I've ever seen a role like this, and I certainly haven't seen one played this well. Rose is passive, she doesn't talk much, she observes — and you see the wheels turning in her mind. That could be so boring in a lesser film. But following along with her, we are a fly on the wall of the LaRusso family.

We first see Rose younger, played by Anastasia Veronica Lee. She's more cautious than her outgoing sister, but loves just as fiercely as Connie does. Jennifer Esposito as their mother Francine is a really perfect role for her — one that allows her to be felt throughout the film as this sort of ghost of obligation and in some ways of safety, but who doesn't overpower the younger actors.

I really loved a scene early in the film where Francine invites young Rose into the bathroom with her as she does her makeup. She creates a sanctuary for Rose, but in that sanctuary there is ownership — the implicit understanding that you are like me, we are a team. As Connie stays loyal to their father and questions why the women have been in the bathroom so long, Francine forms her own alliance with Rose. She tells Rose at one point, you know your mother's your best friend, right? to try to get some info out of her. And it's sweet and it's sad. You feel such true love but also the grasping, the desperation to feel understood on all sides.

One of the most fascinating elements of this film is that as we see Rose's story, we see the traditional mafia story through the windows, out the garage, around the corner. In glances and hushed words, we see and hear the elements that would be The Godfather or Goodfellas. The men go off to have their secret talks and instead of the camera following them, we stay behind — to deal with the aftermath, with those who are left, the women who wait for these men to come home safely.

In some strange ways, the father Joe is even more sympathetic. We don't see his dirty dealings. We see him cloaked in shadow. We see that he loves his family and we know he's doing what he thinks he needs to do to keep them safe. But perhaps the most heartbreaking scene — besides some more spoilery beats — is when Joe tells the true version of a story Francine had been telling for years. Francine talks to her daughters about how she was almost a model, how a recruiter gave her his card, what could have been. Hope is so important when you are living on a trash heap. The idea that you could have something better, that someone saw value in you — that means so much. And Joe rips that hope away, laughs about how the talent guy told every girl in town they could be a model and took their money. Joe humiliates Francine and you see her grit through it. Not make a scene, but you can see that it affects her.

This movie has done so much in silence. Its most agonizing moments are conveyed through glances and pursed lips. Joe makes her feel small. Women in these stories are so often made small. They have a single purpose — bring in a lasagna or scream about how they're being cheated on. But not this family. And we see Emily Bader as Rose seeing this — seeing her mother's discomfort, looking around and wondering why no one else notices, why they're continuing to laugh and carry on.

Rose's penchant for observation could be slow in a way that would turn me off, but instead it elevates the film to another level. And Emily Bader as Rose, especially opposite the vivacious Odessa A'zion as Connie — a character who wants too much and isn't afraid to take it, but who also needs a path laid out for her, for whom choice is anathema — Rose feels trapped while Connie thrives on orders and loyalty.

When their father gives them a bakery to run together, it is a gift but also a burden. It keeps Rose in place even as it gives Connie new purpose. The greatest heartbreak for Connie is that she's so happy to take the life her father laid out, but he's given the same path to their cousin Ali — played by Nicholas Cirillo — because he's a man. He's given what Connie feels she earned through being Joe's child. If it's simply given to Ali, then what has Connie done to deserve it?

My one negative about this film? Two barfs. Two barfs happen. A barf in a film is my kryptonite, but not in a way where someone says "kryptonite" and it's like cake — that their kryptonite is cake because they want to eat it. It's in a classic Superman way of I might die because I saw two barfs.

This film has made me think about storytelling differently. How much can be left unsaid and still convey such strong emotion.

Shared Themes

Eastern Promises and Fresh Kills are ultimately about feeling trapped. Each character is beholden to a certain set of rules, to a life they did not want, and there is such powerful storytelling tension as we wonder if they can escape and on whose terms.

In Eastern Promises, Viggo as a gang enforcer — the cleaner — is forced to follow along behind his boss's son and clean up his messes. A man who's clearly not as cruel as his line of work implies. He shares with Naomi: I am driver. I go left, I go right, I go straight ahead. That's it. Of course things aren't that simple, his job is much more elaborate. But it's the way he should think about his job — follow orders, don't go outside the lines, stay alive. But Naomi makes him question this, put himself in danger. We also learn he's an undercover agent — a job where you work for the government, again following someone else's orders. His life is not his own on many levels. He's even branded, getting the star tattoo of the gang he's joined, permanently marking himself as a follower.

Young Tatiana had nowhere to go. In an attempt to make money singing, she wound up as a sex worker for this Russian gang. She journals and hopes for something more, but her life isn't her own. She's pregnant at her death and Naomi saves that baby, searching frantically for a family. She thinks the baby would be better off with Tatiana's relatives — staying within the bloodline — a goal that once again elicits the idea of being trapped in the cyclical nature of life. But Viggo comments the baby would be much better off in London with Naomi.

In Fresh Kills, Rose is stuck. She's trapped by her family's expectations, by the world's expectations. As a young girl, we see how she wants to play with makeup for her mom, but that's clearly frowned upon. While Connie attempts to live more like the boys of the family, that's also frowned upon. Each is stuck in an identity they didn't ask for.

Rose is given a bakery to work at — not something she ever showed interest in. She's told to marry a man, a man who is fine, but there's no light in her eyes when she sees him. She'll get a free house from her dad, but it's another piece he'll always have over her. Every step she takes as an adult that further entangles with him is in some way an endorsement of his behavior, his crimes. And she wonders what's wrong with her that she doesn't want this life that Connie fights for, that Francine pretends to love.

An element I really adored — the bits we see on television screens. Rose watches Sally Jessy Raphael and sees it as an escape. At commercial breaks, there are ads for beauty schools. She ponders being a beautician or entering a guest-hosting gig for Sally Jessy. Even her pipe dreams are influenced by her environment, by what her mother puts on the TV. The one time she sets out to do something for herself and auditions for Sally Jessy, it's thwarted by her family name — a name she has just shared with the casting person, a name then blasted across the TV as the name of a criminal. The TV giveth and the TV taketh away.

The other piece of the puzzle is ownership and the way that ownership leads to a sort of impotent rage in our main characters.

In Eastern Promises, Viggo has two masters — the gang he's undercover with and the government he's secretly working for. He's branded by both. You see his rage seething under the surface of his controlled image. He's taking orders for greater purpose, but that doesn't keep it from frustrating him. As his character says: Anger is very dangerous. It makes people do stupid things. Anger is maybe one of our most destructive emotions. No one has ever done anything out of anger and then thought, yeah, that was a great choice.

Naomi's rage is so clear. She wants justice for this girl, but what is she to do in the face of a gang? When her uncle says something abhorrent, she storms out. She's not going to fight her uncle. She just has to leave. But you feel that energy, that thrumming in her. She doesn't know what to do with it, so she has to remove herself.

Fresh Kills further begs the question: when is anger acceptable? I think some people would say in women, never. Anyone surprised by the violence of this film — surprised that women feel emotions as strongly as men and that there's an outlet other than tears — is in for a real surprise in the real world.

What's heartbreaking is that all the rage in the world, all the passion, doesn't extricate Rose from the life she was born into. She is owned by her last name, by her family's expectations, by her desire to be loved by them in the way they love those who stay in line. When Rose finally blows up at her father, it doesn't get her anything. It's an outlet, something that drives her to make choices she needs to make, but it's not going to change him. It's not going to change the business.

Does anger ever really lead to the outcome we want? I don't know that female rage is taken seriously in the same way, because women's rage is not palatable. It doesn't lead to fun fight scenes or quests for vengeance — not usually. And there's a toxicity to the LaRusso women that is magnetizing and it is scary.

When Francine screams at Rose for saying she doesn't want children, she's speaking to her own hurt, her own grief — takes it out on Rose, who is so used to having things taken out on her. That Rose continues to express herself at all is a miracle. When Connie screams about how she and their dad are Rose's people, she shouldn't be looking for validation outside — it's sad because Connie needs to believe it. She can't have her world turned upside down.

Anger keeps us in line in some ways. These women try to put on the face expected of them, so their anger builds and builds until it explodes at inopportune times at the wrong people. No one can get mad at Joe, the breadwinner, the man of the house, so they get mad at each other. Connie is furious with Rose for not being loyal enough to their father instead of being mad at the father who has let them down. It's easier to be mad at a person who you think will always be there for you than at a known quantity.

What Fresh Kills Does Better

Eastern Promises has heroes and villains, people who must do the right thing and for whom doing the right thing is an easy choice. Fresh Kills shows us a protagonist who doesn't have an external force driving her. No one is coming to save her. There's no magic fix. No clear-cut delineations of right and wrong. She must motivate herself wholly from within. It's so honest in its simplicity and the lack of a black-and-white binary.

In Eastern Promises, Viggo is confident, in control. He plays everyone. Even as he wins over the mob boss, he has his own agenda. Every move is calculated. He has goals outside of this — he hasn't fallen into gang life, he's there with a very clear purpose. So he can stay disaffected, think of himself as someone other than the man who cleans up dead bodies. He has a freedom that Rose in Fresh Kills doesn't have, even though he is confined within the boundaries of organized crime.

Naomi Watts barrels headfirst into gang business. Everyone is so nice to her. They're like, we won't kill you for this journal. We'll make you borscht. She is righteous in her belief that this baby needs to be connected with its family. We know she'll survive because she's the hero, the beautiful blonde seeking justice who cares about the baby, who can convert Viggo Mortensen to a life of good. She implores him to read the journals and he listens. It's an idealized world. It's a fun world. Great crime flick.

But while Eastern Promises is a story of seekers, Fresh Kills is the story of an observer. And the way Rose's tale is carried out is a sort of storytelling I don't think I've ever seen done so effectively. There's no behind-the-scenes string-pulling. We don't know for a fact things will go away. We can't anticipate the life she'll live because her life is grounded in reality.

Another lesser version of this film would have had her be the new host of Sally Jessy Raphael. There's a movie I love, Drop Dead Gorgeous, where Kirsten Dunst wants to be a broadcaster and she's at a crime scene when the anchor gets shot and she pops up and takes over the reporting. Dark comedy, done very well. But how often in any genre do our characters not quite get what they want without it being a totally depressing movie made for the purpose of making you sad? The world of Fresh Kills doesn't feel hollow in any of its sad moments. It's not overdone. It's simply reality.

No one comes down and says, Rose, I believe in you, here's a path to another life, here's a job as a beautician. Nothing is handed to her. The only path set out is the one of her family, the one she's desperate to escape. She has to figure things out on her own. No magical mentor. We can wait around for an answer to be dropped in our laps, but sometimes we just have to move forward to try something knowing we might fail. And Rose is so brave in that she's ready to do that.

In Eastern Promises, Viggo is not simply a Russian mob member. He's elite. He's the best. He scoffs in the face of danger. He can fix motorcycles. And he's a secret agent. He's special. So many movies are about people who are special.

An element of Fresh Kills that was so brilliant is that this family is ordinary. Rose is ordinary. In Eastern Promises, we know that although other people own Viggo, he has the self-confidence and ability to stay on top. When he is attacked naked in a bathhouse, he beats up knife dudes while his junk is flopping around. You know he's the best. You know he'll save Naomi, avenge Tatiana. Everything falls so perfectly into place. Everything is meant to be.

In Fresh Kills, Rose isn't special. Her sister's more rambunctious, gets more attention, but still gets beat up when it comes down to it. Her father heads up a crime organization but gets caught. Her mother is beautiful and vivacious but there's a deep well of sadness there. No one finds out they're a boy wizard or a superhero. These people play the roles they've been assigned and tell themselves it makes them happy.

Even Rose's big moment of choosing violence — picking up a bottle to smash an attacker over the head — that's still not enough for her sister. It's not a magic heroic moment. It's too little, too late. It's not a victory. It's just an end to that particular bout of fighting. There's no glamour in these trappings of the mafia. Rose isn't suddenly an informant or a saint. She chooses for herself when she can and she tries to survive.

Go buy Fresh Kills. Watch it, tell someone to watch it, review it. These things matter for films like this. It's available on Apple TV, Amazon, and everywhere you get movies.

Hit me up at @tastelesspod on social media — only once you've watched it. Then we will talk about it. Emily Bader — ugh, so good. Whole cast is incredible.

Take My Breath Away: Singin' In The Rain vs. A Family Affair

Two movies about forbidden romance set against the fantastical world of Hollywood — it’s Singin’ In The Rain vs. A Family Affair.

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Every episode of Tasteless, I take a critically acclaimed film and compare it to one that shares the same themes but didn't get the attention it deserves — and explain why that second movie is my pick. This week: two movies about forbidden romance set against the fantastical world of Hollywood. It's Singin' in the Rain versus A Family Affair. Yes, I had another episode on deck. Yes, I changed it when a new Nicole Kidman movie hit Netflix on Friday. Of course I did. I'm a journalist.

Singin’ In The Rain

A silent film star falls for a chorus girl just as he and his delusionally jealous screen partner are trying to make the difficult transition to talking pictures in 1920s Hollywood.

This movie came out in 1952. It has a perfect 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. No one has a bad thing to say about this movie. That's so perfect for this podcast — to compare anything to a movie that has 100%.

Singin' in the Rain was nominated for two Oscars. Best Music Scoring of a Musical Picture for Lennie Hayton, and then one that's a little surprising but I love: Best Supporting Actress for Jean Hagen as Lena Lamont. The film as a whole didn't receive that many nominations, and it makes sense because only a year prior another Gene Kelly movie, An American in Paris, had won Best Picture plus five other Oscars. People were like, all right, we get it. But I don't hear people now talking about An American in Paris the way they do about Singin' in the Rain. For a very unscientific comparison, An American in Paris has been watched by 77,000 people on Letterboxd, while Singin' in the Rain has been watched by 581,000.

I am a fan of cinema who has a massive blind spot for films that are pre-70s outside of horror, and to be fair, probably even pre-90s. I don't tend to go for older films, just like I don't tend to go for animated films as my first choice. That definitely causes me to miss out, but when there are so many movies on the earth, I have to focus somewhere. And yeah, that's mostly 90s psychosexual thrillers.

But there is such a different feeling when watching an older movie like Singin' in the Rain. A lightness, it's just joyful. And then you read about how much Gene Kelly made 19-year-old Debbie Reynolds cry. So things weren't all sunshine and roses. Singin' in the Rain does a good job of presenting this idyllic, funny, dance-filled world that just makes you smile. Biggest disappointment but also the best part: it opens with them singing "Singin' in the Rain" in the rain. Perfection. But then later Gene Kelly just sings it by himself. Come on.

Singin' in the Rain is the epitome of a feel-good musical. My absolute favorite movie musical of all time is Funny Girl, but I can see how Singin' in the Rain is the blueprint for bringing the magic of an art form that's perhaps best enjoyed live — bringing it really brilliantly onto the big screen.

Gene Kelly: an unforgiving taskmaster of a man. Very talented. I never really think talent is worth being a jerk. In this film as Don Lockwood, incredibly charming in a very smarmy way. He's kind of a social climber who does what he needs to look his best. He's a liar when it suits him. He embellishes. He goes big. He looks a bit like Justin Theroux. Very nice voice on this man — not just when he's singing, when he's talking.

For a guy that's this intense and this much of a perfectionist, dancing was not a great choice when you have to do it with other people, because you have to be so in sync. Imagine you're the best in the world, you're Gene Kelly, and this nice 19-year-old Debbie Reynolds misses a step. You're ready to have an aneurysm. But she had no real dance training when she took this job, and she is up there next to Gene Kelly fully holding her own.

I liked when the police made him stop having fun. He's out dancing around in puddles and the police just come. This policeman is just looking at him. He's like, I guess I have to stop dancing in the puddles. I don't think that's illegal. Was it illegal back then? You weren't allowed to play in the rain?

The best thing about Gene Kelly's character might be that he is a loyal friend to a fault. He lets his best friend Cosmo, played by Donald O'Connor, hang around all the time. Date with Debbie Reynolds? Cosmo's there. Conversation with his boss? Cosmo's there. And here is my problem with this movie. I am being so serious right now. Shenanigans. Tomfoolery. Lot of both between these two guys. Real goofy guys over here. I don't like it. I don't like yucks. I don't like shenanigans.

Donald O'Connor's "Make 'Em Laugh" song — incredible. He runs up a wall and does a flip. The talent on this guy. But here's what I know about me. Song in this movie called "Gotta Dance." I don't got a dance and I don't understand why other people do. But I do love watching it. I just wouldn't hang out with these men.

This whole movie is a jukebox musical trying to use songs that already existed, weaving them in. And "Make 'Em Laugh" — they created it to use up all of the gags Donald had from his vaudeville days. All these little things he did to make people laugh at previous gigs, combined into one song. This guy was a heavy smoker, had to flip off a wall, was keeled over, had to do it again. The problem with being so talented at something is that you can make it look easy and people don't understand just how much effort went into it.

Debbie Reynolds is a star. A star. I first loved her in Halloweentown. She was such a cool grandma. She just always struck me as very clever, very self-aware, very perceptive. She's so enjoyable to watch on screen. The fact that she didn't dance professionally before Singin' in the Rain and held her own with Gene Kelly is insane. Gene was hard on her — she's crying, Fred Astaire finds her under the stairs, checking on her. Yeah, Gene Kelly, fun guy.

She's so charismatic. She just has it. These classic movie stars — there were less stars. Somebody couldn't just have a TikTok. And I think Debbie could succeed just as easily today because of that true connection you feel through the screen. She has had a tumultuous private life but it has always been very clear she loved her family to the ends of the earth. The way her granddaughter Billie Lourd talks about her is always very touching. She's just one of those people we all felt like we knew — her and her daughter Carrie Fisher.

Jean Hagen as Lena Lamont is a really great foil. She's nasty, she's dumb, she's absurd, totally commits, not a winking role at all. Just an annoying person who is used to getting what she wants and utilizes what's available to get her way. And I can't fault her for that — for clinging onto the empire she's been building with Gene Kelly. As much as I wanted Debbie's dreams to come true, Jean is just so awesome to watch.

Also, it is very cool and funny that Debbie at one point comes in to dub Jean so it's her voice instead of Jean's grating voice. But it's actually Jean dubbing Debbie dubbing Jean. You get that? Jean is doing her real voice pretending to be Debbie pretending to replace Lena Lamont's voice, who is Jean doing a high-pitched voice. Jean dubbing Debbie dubbing Jean.

Jean Hagen, backbone of this film to me, keeps it from being too saccharine. I wanted good things for Lena Lamont the same way I want good things for the villains on Housewives or for Jennifer Lopez. I want to keep watching them be wild.

A Family Affair

A surprising romance kicks off comic consequences for a young woman, her mother, and her movie-star boss as they face the complications of love, sex, and identity.

This movie came out in 2024. It has a 42% on Rotten Tomatoes. I obviously was seated on Friday when it came out. Got off work. Put it on. The Nicole Kidman and Zac Efron reunion we've been waiting on since The Paperboy. I was ready for some cheesy fun and it fully delivered while also having really engaging performances from a fantastic cast.

I think this film will in its time be enjoyed for what it is — a light romp where everyone seems to be having a great time filming it. Much like Singin' in the Rain, which was overshadowed by An American in Paris at the time, A Family Affair is kind of overshadowed right now by The Idea of You, but has its own merits.

IndieWire shared a very funny interview where Zac Efron and Nicole Kidman said they signed on for the original title — it was called something much cruder. Nicole shared that somehow that didn't make it onto the Netflix title. They both were like, let's do it. What better way to reconnect. Let Nicole Kidman have fun. She is queen of prestige television. One of the all-time greatest actresses who can really make any role work because of what she brings to the table. But in this movie she gets to be light. Yes, her character has past trauma, but it is in no way the focus and it doesn't hold her back from going for what she wants.

I love that she kind of tells her kid to kick rocks. Like, hey kid, let me be happy. I want to make out with Zac Efron. I'm going to sleep with your boss. I would be furious if that was my mom. And while Nicole is a great mom in this, she also isn't catering unnecessarily to her adult daughter. Their relationship is realistically tense with fights that felt akin to fights I've had with my mom. It isn't loaded down with anguish. It taps into real emotions but keeps things a bit more surface level in a way I appreciated.

Nicole Kidman never really had that rom-com phase in her career, which is sort of shocking. The closest roles that come to mind are maybe Just Go With It where she's the villain but super goofy, or Bewitched where she's bubbly. But rarely does she play totally carefree. This is total cotton candy, which is what you want sometimes. Also, this movie lets her be Australian. Thank you, A Family Affair.

Joey King is perfect. Her character is frustrating, selfish in the way anyone in their early-to-mid twenties is. I see myself in elements of her in a way I wish I didn't. She has real emotions that I understand even while I can rationally understand they're not her mom's fault, not her boss's fault. They have to do with her own feelings about her worth, about what she's supposed to do with her life. I liked that Joey was selfish but still really kind. She's never nasty, just not thinking of other people the way she should be.

Zac Efron, always delightful. He is a song and dance man who could have been in Singin' in the Rain. He actually shared with the Letterboxd journalist at the premiere that Singin' in the Rain is one of his favorite movies. He has such charm. The fact that he improvised the "Bet On It" golf course dance in High School Musical 2 is incredible. He has allowed his career to mature with him in a way that's really hard to do.

I like that we dealt with the internal elements of his character's fame. The lengths he goes to not be stopped by fans — he has secret spots where no one can see him. He's wistful over getting to go to the grocery store when he was younger. We don't get that cliché paparazzi moment. We see him when he's most comfortable, away from all of that.

Their courtship is fast — they're all over each other drinking tequila within an afternoon. But is that so crazy when you're two hotties? When he's trying to come up with something to talk to this hot Australian woman about, he goes, do you know Margot Robbie? She's like, no. And he goes, I do. He's silly in a way I enjoy — not a shenanigans way, like Cosmo in Singin' in the Rain.

Kathy Bates as Nicole's mother-in-law — perfect. She mourns the loss of her son but is in no way controlling of Nicole's life. She's excited that Nicole sees something in Zac that creates a spark. There's this wonderful non-judgmental maternal energy.

Sherry Cola is a revelation. Liza Koshy at one point makes up a fake name and calls herself Mia Thermopoulos. I love that. And her Letterboxd top four — The Room, Cats, Madame Web, and Triangle of Sadness — I'm officially a fan.

Shared Themes

Singin' in the Rain and A Family Affair have couples that like each other, have chemistry, have so much fun together — but who have to keep their romance secret to stay out of sight of the haters. Lena Lamont and Joey King: the ultimate haters in film.

In Singin' in the Rain, what Gene Kelly builds with Debbie Reynolds is this textbook love-hate, fun, classic-for-a-reason dynamic. They're in such a high-stakes world, but once they're together, none of that matters. They meet when Gene catapults himself into Debbie's car. They argue. They meet again when Debbie jumps out of a cake. Crazy sequence of events. Plus the blonde hottie who thinks Gene is her boyfriend is ready to upend their lives. Gives them an us-against-the-world feeling. Well, us and Cosmo against the world.

That bond that they are creating art together, trying to build something better — it's so strong. Rita Moreno as Zelda, small role, nice to see her, rats them out to Lena Lamont. What I love is that instead of Gene going, no, you misunderstood, he's like, yeah, I adore Debbie Reynolds. Look at her. Look at the tiny hats she wears. No one is ashamed. The fun is the sneaking around, but the romance is in declaring for the world to hear that they love each other.

A Family Affair has the often-discussed age-gap romance, but with the woman as the older party — always a nice twist. I think the power imbalance is played well because of Zac being famous. Even though he's younger, he's had certain things available to him and grown up faster in some ways, although he's really stunted in others. He's also a full adult man. He's 36.

They set up that Nicole is well-read and he has a lot to learn, but he's curious. That goes really far. He doesn't need to know everything, but he wants to learn. I love that he reads the mythology books she gives him. They make each other laugh. They're not intellectual equals, but they're good for each other. Zac has some growing up to do — he needs to take other people seriously, think outside himself. Being with Nicole forces him to see Joey as a human, not just his assistant. Shouldn't he need to have sex with Nicole Kidman to treat his employee as a human? Probably not. But you see what they get from each other.

What's so fun about these films is their use of the fantastic, their use of Hollywood and its trappings to tell stories in a larger-than-life way. Both Gene Kelly and Zac Efron take the woman they like to a fake set and show them the magic of what film creates — imagination, possibilities. Gene telling Debbie she looks lovely in the moonlight, perhaps more suave than anything Zac says on a fake New York set. But this moment of the fake, the movie set, being the only place these people can share their true emotions — it's perfect storytelling.

Singin' in the Rain leans into the Technicolor, the fun. Gene Kelly dancing in the rain is fantastic. These sets are built to create imagery that sticks with you. Debbie has been struggling as a background cake dancer, meets the hot actor she likes, and now is his girlfriend and is going to get a movie role. What a dream. This fantasy only works when everyone feels like they belong in it — that Debbie meets Gene on his level and impresses him. It's such wish fulfillment in the best way.

A Family Affair is certainly not a big production — there's no smoke and mirrors — but there is this Hollywood dream on offer. A life that Zac doesn't appreciate, that Joey longs for. There's a modern version of Hollywood that's equally entrancing. We think of celebrities as having it all. Zac has a beautiful house, someone catering to his every whim, but it doesn't make him happy. His fantasy is normalcy — and to an extent, solitude. Choosing things for himself. We see it when he takes Nicole to the empty New York set. Joey calls him out for doing what he does with all women, and it makes sense when he shares he doesn't know where else to go for privacy.

The plot of this movie would never happen in real life. It just wouldn't. But isn't it fun to watch? I love this kind of fantasy, just grounded enough that it's like, hmm, a movie star could fall in love with me while I'm at home wearing my Blondie shirt and organizing my books.

What A Family Affair Does Better

A movie made in the ‘50s versus a movie made in the 2020s is of course going to be different. I am not faulting Singin' in the Rain for having ‘50s sensibilities about women at all. But I think the lighter the movie, the less seriously it tends to take identity. These are two fluffy, fun, silly movies. While Singin' in the Rain has an unsurprising thread of rudeness towards its leading ladies, I was really pleasantly surprised by the agency that A Family Affair gave to Joey and especially to Nicole.

Singin' in the Rain is Gene Kelly's story. That is fine — men can have movies. Great. But man, it's boring that Debbie is like, at first has her own stuff, and is like, okay, whatever you want, Gene, I actually secretly am president of your fan club and I'm happy to help you save your trash movie and not get credit. Come on, Debbie, get in there. Dance fight this man, Sharks versus Jets style.

Jean Hagen as Lena Lamont is by far the most fun character to watch. I don't think she was meant to be. She feels ahead of her time in this villainous, fun role where she's doing things women shouldn't — speaking up for herself, basically. When the movie starts, Gene Kelly does all the talking for her because of her awful voice. As far as she knows, she's just not allowed to talk because Gene has been nominated to speak for both of them. And that sucks.

Knowing that Gene made Debbie cry makes it less fun to watch them fall on the couch giggling together, knowing that was probably the 40th time they fell on the couch and everyone's feet are bleeding and they're sobbing when it's done. None of this takes away from this movie being a must-watch. But that's what makes A Family Affair, which you'd think would follow certain stereotypes, especially surprising and enjoyable.

A Family Affair does not fall into the traps and tropes of a typical romance. We see so many movies where people feel guilt over moving on or women beat themselves up for putting themselves first. How dare a woman do what she wants and not sacrifice. Nicole makes no apologies for her successes. She even acknowledges how her husband felt less-than because he didn't do as well, but she doesn't dim her own light. When her daughter's upset, she acknowledges that, but doesn't bend to her. When her daughter confronts her, she apologizes for hurting her but makes it clear she will not sacrifice her personhood so her daughter can feel good.

Nicole Kidman is 57. How many stories are there for 57-year-old women where they're hot and hooking up with the young hottie and it's not played for laughs? It's not played for laughs at all. Of course these two are together. This is just her life. Even saying "older women" about Nicole Kidman feels disrespectful somehow. She's not 90. But when Hollywood likes you to be 21, there aren't that many roles.

I also find it really interesting how we tend to malign things that aren't deep, and it feels like we've gotten worse about that. When Singin' in the Rain came out, people enjoyed it, it was nominated for Oscars, but it's a fluffy fun movie. A Family Affair is the same. And it's disappointing to see so many reviews saying, watch this with a glass of wine or three. Okay, great. Yeah, you've sold me. I want a movie I can watch with friends, have a drink, giggle, not argue over whatever Tenet is about.

We look back on older films as more than they maybe were at the time because anything that has survived decades, been shared by relatives, gives the film an air of importance. It's hard to make a movie now when there are so many movies. You can watch a million different things this weekend. There's this feeling now that you have to watch something important, something meaningful, something in the zeitgeist. I think the best example of this change is The Bear, which won Best Comedy — should not have been in that category.

I think A Family Affair is out at the exact perfect time for me, and I have so much respect for the people who made something that seems so rare now: just fun. Anyone But You recently was lauded for similar reasons — chemistry on film again. I want these options. I don't want it to be either superheroes or Schindler's List. A Family Affair does exactly what I wanted it to do, and it does it well. I worry we're not getting these movies anymore — 27 Dresses, Morning Glory, One for the Money. I love this genre of lighthearted fun centered on a female protagonist who's figuring her stuff out.

If you want to pour yourself a glass of wine, go nuts. Put on A Family Affair. Watch these two movies together — you will have a lovely time. It's a great double feature. A Family Affair is on Netflix. Singin' in the Rain is on Max.

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Class Warfare: Triangle Of Sadness vs. Corporate Animals

Two satires about class and equality — it's Triangle Of Sadness vs. Corporate Animals.

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Every episode of Tasteless, I take a critically acclaimed film and compare it to one that shares the same themes but didn't get the attention it deserves — and explain why that second movie is my pick. This week: two satires about class and equality. It's Triangle of Sadness versus Corporate Animals. This pairing is a no-brainer, a slam dunk, so easy I almost didn't do it. Of course these movies are the same. I'm here to advocate for Corporate Animals, which is phenomenal.

Triangle Of Sadness

A fashion model celebrity couple join an eventful cruise for the super-rich.

This movie came out in 2022. It has a 72% on Rotten Tomatoes. It was nominated for three Oscars — Best Picture, Best Original Screenplay, and Best Directing, all for Ruben Östlund. It definitely deserved the nominations. There is nothing else like it besides other Ruben Östlund films, which are always interesting commentary that make you laugh at things you feel you shouldn't be laughing at.

Triangle of Sadness is enjoyable and ostentatious and absurd. It's definitely not for everyone, but the people it's for, it's really for. We meet Harris Dickinson as Carl, a male model. The look at the male model world in the first bit sets such a high energy. This grumpy brand versus smiley brand conversation — how smiley brands are cheap — it's such a good scene. I do wish more of the movie was like this portion. These expensive brands look down on you and in our minds, that's what people want from luxury, while the cheap brands are happy and fun and welcome everyone in. We see how kind of untrue these things are as the film unfolds.

There is something about Harris Dickinson's portrayal that is one of the most honest male roles I've seen. He never seems to be trying too hard. A scene in a fancy restaurant where he squabbles with his girlfriend Yaya, played by Charlbi Dean, over paying the bill — when he says it's uncomfortable to talk about money and gender roles, I don't think I've ever seen this conversation had before on film.

Yaya is such an interesting character. She seems rude and standoffish at first, but then you get it. You understand her viewpoint. Charlbi Dean is very charming — someone who could easily be cast as the hot bitch in a million movies but infuses Yaya with genuine likeability. Yes, she thinks about life in a transactional way, but she acknowledges her own manipulations. She has to protect herself.

I got out of this movie in the theater, was walking past a Lego store, immediately on her IMDB looking for what else she'd been in — and was shocked to discover she had recently passed. It casts a strange pallor over the film because I think this role would have led to many more for her. There is a way her character takes in the world that's interesting. She's not above it all — she's part of what's happening.

The upstairs-downstairs vibes are very clear. All the top cruise workers wear white, getting amped up because they're about to make a bunch of money doing what the rich people want. The actual workers a level below them cleaning toilets — all people of color. All the white-clad steward types a floor up are blonde and white. Vicki Berlin's Paula, the head of the fancy crew, so good — intense with the right balance of level head and kowtowing to ridiculous guest demands.

This guy Dimitri, played by Zlatko Burić, is the worst. A millionaire with his wife and his mistress. He's made so much money off fertilizer. One of the most realistic portrayals of getting stuck talking to someone at an event — when Carl and Yaya are at his table, you feel trapped there with them. And I love this old couple because they look so sweet but they make grenades. That's where they've got their money. When pirates later attack and a grenade lands right next to them, she's like, is this one of ours?

Any regular listener knows I hate barf in movies. So much. The kind of famous scene from this film is just people barfing up and down the halls. They're seasick, the food's bad. If this happened to me, I would off myself. I really struggled not to fast-forward when rewatching. There is plot in between the barfs, but God. Having to rewatch. I had a hard time even watching what led up to it because it's really well shot to make the viewer feel like they're moving, with the loud metal music, and then poo water starts pouring down the halls.

I also think Woody Harrelson is not needed here. His whole Marxist versus the Russian thing was the least interesting thread. It leads directly to the pirates overhearing them, but it's just not interesting. Looking at every other part of this film, this Marxist-communist thread as Woody Harrelson reads his diary about MLK Jr. — I don't need this.

The breakout star is Dolly de Leon as Abigail, someone who was working downstairs and is the only one with real survival skills when they're stranded. She can catch fish, start fire. All these rich people don't know what to do — they'd be eating sand without her. She shared that the role was initially going to be a man. It is so much better, so much more interesting, so much harder to digest that it's a woman, because if she were a man, she'd be an unquestionable villain. She takes immediate advantage of her abilities on the island — who can blame her — but she also uses it to have Carl come spend the night with her.

If she were one of the rich characters and Carl was poor, she'd be an absolute villain even as a woman. But she's one of the downtrodden, she's a woman with a lot of disadvantages in the power structure. So yes, she's doing bad things, but you can't blame her in some ways. There's something less icky about it — it's more palatable because she's punching up and not down. That doesn't make what she does to Carl okay, but it's interesting to watch and realize the biases I have myself — that I'm not as disgusted because she was previously in a position of less power.

It's on Hulu. Don't fast-forward through the barfs if you can help it because it is really well shot, but I'm thinking about them now and I'm upset.

Corporate Animals

CEO Lucy takes her staff on corporate team building in some underground desert caves in New Mexico. They get stuck there.

This came out in 2019. It has a 25% on Rotten Tomatoes. Movie critics have zero taste. This is absurd.

I have been dying to talk about this movie. I've had this comparison written down for a long time — I just haven't wanted to watch all the barfing of Triangle of Sadness again. This is the quintessential Tasteless where I'm telling you: if you like something, there's something else out there you've never heard of or that you passed over. And that something is Corporate Animals, which is phenomenal.

I wound up revisiting it because I was reading about Demi Moore's upcoming film The Substance, a body horror film about a fading celebrity. Demi is so good. She's so talented. Her book was fantastic — I always appreciate a celebrity memoir where their personality, their humanity shines through. Her book Inside Out really feels as though a friend is telling you stories. I am obsessed with her carpeted bathroom. I love what a family person she is, how close she is with her daughters, still there for her ex-husband Bruce Willis. She's an animal lover. She just seems great.

And what I really love is seeing someone who seems great playing a stone-cold bitch, which she does in this movie to absolute perfection. She is CEO of a company called Incredible Edible Cutlery, for which she has invented edible cutlery. The opening is this amazing in-world commercial — one of my favorite things, when there are in-world ads and videos — she's this sort of Bethenny Frankel, Gwyneth Paltrow, awful-politician, face-of-the-company type CEO talking about the incredible environmental benefits while reaping all the monetary rewards.

Demi plays this fully clueless woman so deadpan imperfectly. We do not give her enough credit for how funny she is. In this film she's making her employees do a company retreat, trust exercises, caving. Their tour guide, played by Ed Helms — who also produced the film — is like, okay, when we go in these caves, there are cave paintings, you can't touch them. And Demi is like, I'm actually one-sixty-fourth Acoma. And if you want to touch them, just check with me. I'll be assuming the role of tribal elder. And later: that's what leaders do. It's the white man's burden. Talking about herself. She listens to her own voice on audiobook.

They go spelunking. They get stuck. The rocks cave in, crushing Ed Helms. So they're all just in there. She's skulking around in the back of the cave with a face mask on. She has several really good physical comedy moments — another is when she's been found out to have been eating Ed Helms's arm because they do have to resort to cannibalism. She makes the funniest oops, I'm caught face when they find out she's been eating him. Cannibalism — what a blast.

She is mentoring Jessica Williams — I loved her in Booksmart as the teacher, she's a Daily Show correspondent, she's in Shrinking. She's a really perfect person for Demi to play off of. Demi tells her she can be the Beyoncé of business, among other very out-of-touch things to say to a young Black woman. The relationship between these two is the most fun to watch, because Jessica rides a fine line of wanting to keep her job but not wanting to put up with the out-of-pocket crazy things her boss says. They have this very tense dynamic where they're circling each other trying to figure out the opening to strike.

Demi's character is also sexually assaulting her other second-in-command, a young man played brilliantly by Karan Soni. He yells at one point, she's been Weinsteining me! This is tough — it's played for laughs but is taken seriously by his coworkers and by him. We first see his character kind of dealing with it, like, no, get away from me, I wish you hadn't done this, but then he has to stand up for himself. I think it's played with real maturity. It's a different kind of manliness.

He and Jessica have been basically pitted against each other by Demi — she's told them both they're up for a big VP position so they keep putting up with her behavior and go after each other instead of focusing on her. They're very fun as enemies but even better when they're working together.

Great pacing. It's an 86-minute movie, which is perfect. It makes really good use of this ensemble cast. Everyone is used effectively. Nasim Pedrad plays a more timid employee who starts having a panic attack in the cave, and Demi just tells her, your panic attack is not authorized. She's like, okay.

Jennifer Kim plays a more no-nonsense employee who strikes up an underground stuck-in-a-cave romance with Nasim that leads to a lot of bickering over the man's body they're eating. There's something oddly equal in this portrayal — this would be the heterosexual couple that hooked up in a scary movie at an inopportune time. I appreciate that it's these two women who aren't even necessarily gay, but they're in a weird situation, and it's not played for laughs that they're both women. That's not the joke.

Callum Worthy is a fresh-faced intern who gets a wound that's definitely infected. He is losing his mind, and because of this we get a cameo from Britney Spears. Like actual Britney Spears. The real Britney does audio. Callum thinks he's hearing Britney talk to him in the cave. And then his open gaping wound sings the song "Toxic." The main cast didn't even know she was involved until the film premiered at Sundance.

It is insane. It is incredible. Corporate Animals — that Rotten Tomatoes score is offensive. I don't know how you watch an 86-minute movie and be that much of a hater about it.

Director Patrick Brice also directed The Overnight, plus Creep and Creep 2. The writer Sam Bain wrote Four Lions and co-created Peep Show. That's a really interesting pedigree — very specific comedic sensibilities that work very well here. It's on Peacock, Shudder, Roku, Vudu — everywhere. Check it out.

Shared Themes

Triangle of Sadness and Corporate Animals are both satirical looks at class and gender that each take a wild turn. They exaggerate as any good satire does, but in a way that feels particularly modern — a cutting look at the spheres of social interaction we all deal with as we try to make a living.

Triangle of Sadness looks at the absurdities of not just the wealthy but of modern life, of the transactional nature of our existence. The conversation between Carl and Yaya that demonstrates how she views herself as a commodity, and the turn of events that makes Carl the commodity to Abigail on the island — they really perfectly bookend this film. Class and power are so linked. We want higher class because it comes with more power, and yet if you get the power without the class, you'll still be looked down on.

We see this in Yaya's final line. They're on the island. Spoiler. Yaya realizes there's an escape, a resort. She's basically like, I want to help you. Maybe you can come work for me. You can be my assistant. After all they've been through, she thinks Abigail will be happy to return to her previous station in life. Yaya believes they're returning to a world where she has the power and Abigail's reign can just be forgotten. It's absurd.

It's interesting when they land on the island and Paula is still trying to keep division — like, we have to make sure all the rich guests are happy. Yeah, actually you don't. You're stranded. There are no more rules. But isn't life easier when we feel like we have a path, a role, a script to follow?

In a 2022 interview with Vanity Fair, Östlund said: he wanted to portray them all as nice. He didn't want to make them ignorant or mean because the conventional way when we look at class is that the bottom is genuine and generous and the rich are egoistic and superficial. He didn't believe that's true. Until I read that, I hadn't clued in on that important fact. Almost all of these characters think they are being nice. No one is being nasty just to be nasty. No one is cruel. The movie itself is nasty, which makes it fun to watch, but it shows people who want to do the right thing, think they're doing the right thing, but just don't care enough to do it in a way that matters.

The best highlight is Vera, who sees all the helper people and says, I want you all to go for a swim. She's doing this to feel good — she feels she's doing a good deed — but for the workers, their whole day is thrown off. She's not trying to be mean. She's not trying to make anyone's day worse. But she's also not doing what this person wants. She's not respecting bodily autonomy. She's doing what she thinks they should want.

On the opposite end, Abigail is a working-class person with abilities beyond the rich chumps, who in another movie would be noble and kind-hearted. Instead she uses her power position to get the hottest guy on the island. There's something about it that's empowering, because there's something almost condescending in believing that someone working-class or poor is therefore more kind and self-sacrificing. It's almost infantilizing.

Corporate Animals uses its clueless CEO for laughs in a way that truly tickled me, but also felt brutally honest. When Demi Moore tells Jessica Williams she can be the Beyoncé of business, we know she's out of touch. But when she really takes a turn — tells all of them they were only hired because of affirmative action while saying she's doing this for them, brought them on as a gift from her heart — it's brilliant. She thinks she's doing them a favor as the beneficent white woman. I lifted you up so that just a little bit of the light that shines on me could fall on you. Just a little bit, not the whole thing. Aren't I wonderful?

Her employees know she's trash and put up with it together. They want the VP role to keep their jobs. They don't call her on it until they've all been trapped in a cave eating human meat for days.

The film's discussion of gender is where it really sings. When Karan Soni's character calls out Demi Moore's CEO for Weinsteining him, she is incensed at the accusation, eventually exclaiming: if women can't be as horrible as men, then what's f***ing feminism for?

She practices this faux feminism that's so common, and I love how the film digs into it because there are points where I kind of agree with her. And then she says something absolutely horrible and I'm like, wait, no. But there is this thing that feels kind of specific to — and is well skewered here — white women. Where we talk out of both sides of our mouths. When you look at all the white women voting for Republicans, you sort of see this. The CEO wants feminism because she wants to be on top, but she doesn't want equality. She wants power. She still wants to be better than some people while also bringing out the good she's doing for minorities and taking the praise and the corporate benefits that come with it.

What she says is outrageous and makes you gasp, but also if the news came out and said someone said this, you'd go: yeah, it's pretty crazy, but I'm not surprised. And that's the funniest thing — when it's so real. When you're laughing because you're just kind of uncomfortable.

She truly does not think she's wrong. She has genuinely created opportunities for minorities. She has a workplace team made up of women, older men, people of color. The two people up for VP are a young Indian man and a young Black woman. She touts it. She's proud of it. But as soon as she's cornered, she's screaming about affirmative action. And what a gift she gave these people though — it's a blessing to work for her. She is the ultimate white savior. And to see it from a woman is more complicated, because she's done things that are on their surface good. She has been held back in life because she's a woman. She has overcome that.

And now, can we blame her for wanting to act like all the men that were in this position before her? I'm not getting my student loans forgiven because some people were so mad at the idea that I would get $10,000 while they paid their own loans. They don't want other people to have it easier. There's something about that that's horrible. I think it's in all of us, at least a little bit. Some of us can overcome it and some can't. It's a very insidious piece of womanhood in the corporate world — the idea that there's not enough to go around.

Why You Should Watch Corporate Animals

Both films are fun, dark, biting — you never know what's going to happen. But there is a connection I feel in Corporate Animals that I don't feel in Triangle of Sadness, because Corporate Animals feels more grounded, even though it's a much more traditional goofy comedy. It feels more authentic.

Triangle of Sadness should be called Triangle of Madness. So much is going on, so much chaos with moments of tranquility — expensive restaurants, the middle of the ocean. I can relate to events happening, but it's all so heightened that it's hard to see these characters as real people. It goes to great lengths to connect with the audience, to get really down and dirty, but it feels disconnected from my own world.

I'm much more impressed by how Corporate Animals creates this ridiculous situation that also feels so possible. I've never worked in an edible spoon company, but I deal with some of the same dynamics. It takes the corporate world and completely skewers it, dumps these people in a crazy situation I'll never be in, but I can picture myself there. I can put myself in that cave.

Movies don't need to be realistic, but I love that I've had conversations not too far off from what is said about spelunking, cannibalism, and a Britney Spears hallucination. It's really well balanced to keep it in the realm of possibility.

Triangle of Sadness — man, that movie could have been cut down. It feels like several different movies. One really solid movie and two others. As this one big chunky movie, it loses the punch of its more powerful scenes. There are real stops and starts. There were things that weren't followed through the way I wanted. I loved the restaurant scene with Carl and Yaya. I loved seeing the discomfort of Carl having to take pictures of Yaya on the yacht, with Yaya admitting she doesn't even eat the pasta she photographs. I loved Abigail realizing the power she held with the chunks of octopus. But there's so much fat that those incisive moments get lost in the sauce. It's bloated.

Corporate Animals is pretty straightforward comparatively, but does some very interesting highlighting of gender equality, feminism, affirmative action. Its story is concise. It takes place in one spot, this claustrophobic cave, with a clear through line. We don't give enough credit to a film that gets in and out effectively. That is hard to do — to take the story you want to tell and cut the fat, make it the most lean, mean version. Which I really think Corporate Animals is.

And it works on multiple levels because you could analyze zero of what I've talked about and still laugh. It works completely on its surface as an Ed Helms office-type dark comedy. Demi Moore makes an incredible dick joke. People throw up, which is apparently moviegoers' number one source of laughter. It is not as confronting as Triangle of Sadness because it's a movie for the people, but then it happens to have this sly little message embedded in it if you want to look further. That's really my sweet spot for satire — to sort of Trojan horse it.

Big spoiler: Demi Moore is gruesomely killed by her downtrodden employees, in a move that — me, the viewer — I'm cheering for. They are not saints just because they work under a menace. They all work together to explode this woman's head with a rock. That is uncool. That is not good behavior. Amazing to watch. Bad, bad. But they turn on each other. They threaten to eat each other. They are just as messy as the villain. They make dumb decisions. They whine. None of them get out without blood on their hands.

Give Corporate Animals a try. That Rotten Tomatoes score is offensive. Demi Moore and the whole cast are so talented — it's a really great showcase of actors you should know and love. It's 86 minutes. It's on Peacock, Shudder, and everywhere else.

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